Famed game design­er Nick joins your hosts Mark Lin­sen­may­er, Eri­ca Spyres, and Bri­an Hirt to con­sid­er fun­da­men­tal ques­tions about the activ­i­ty of gam­ing (Nick calls games “arbi­trary lim­its on mean­ing­less goals”) and what con­sti­tutes a casu­al game: Is it one that’s easy (maybe not easy to win, but at least you don’t die), one meant to be played in short bursts, or maybe one with a cer­tain kind of art style, or just about any game that runs on a phone? Nick­’s most famous cre­ation is the casu­al Din­er Dash, which can be very stress­ful. Vast­ly dif­fer­ent games from very hard but very short action games and very involved but sooth­ing strat­e­gy games get lumped under this one label.

Our con­ver­sa­tion touch­es on every­thing from cross­words to Super Meat Boy, plus the rela­tion between psy­chol­o­gy and game design, whether casu­al games real­ly play less than hard­core gamers, the stig­ma of an activ­i­ty that was for mar­ket­ing rea­sons at one point brand­ed as being just for ado­les­cent boys, and even heuris­tics for beat­ing slot machines.

Some sources we looked at include:

• Wikipedia on casu­al games
• “Casu­al Games, Time Man­age­ment, and the Work of Affect” by Aubrey Anable
•  “Hyper Casu­al Game: Mobile Gaming’s Newest Genre” by Mati­ja Hanicar
•  “The Rise of Casu­al Gam­ing” by Niraj Chok­shi
• “Pop­cap: The 10 Secrets of Casu­al Game Design” by Kei­th Stu­art
• “Gam­ing Con­ceptz: Casu­al Games for Casu­al Play­ers” by Vince Vad­er
• Casu­al Game Insid­er Mag­a­zine

Just so you don’t have to write them down, our rec­om­men­da­tions at the end were:

• Nick: Can­dy Box!, Dicey Dun­geons, Code­names, Super Hexa­gon
• Eri­ca: A Fish­er­man’s Tale
• Bri­an: Two Dots
• Mark: Feed­ing Fren­zy (which is dif­fer­ent from Insani­quar­i­um where fish poop coins that Nick I think is refer­ring to)

You can fol­low Nick @nickfortugno.

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